Friday Links and Open Thread

114 thoughts on “Friday Links and Open Thread”

  1. Re: Eboni

    You can get death threats all day long for voicing conservative sentiments and the media yawns.

    Strange new interest, indeed.

        • I have to take back my chiding of Melissa Francis for her tears, because I did the same thing after 15 minutes on Twitter yesterday.

          Until we hear from the DoJ investigation, we won’t know what Charlottesville officialdom could have done to contain the violence rather decamping the Neo-Nazis and the KKK right through the area filled with Antifa.

          It will be quite awhile before anyone local is held accountable for a situation that escalated into murder by an angry and hateful twenty-year-old.

          None our of elite overlords give a fig about that in the midst of covering Trump as though he ran over this young woman himself.

          The fact that the “sides” Trump spoke of are those composed SOLELY of the Neo-Nazis/KKK side vs the Antifa side and not the regular folks there, is not a distinction our Betters are going to allow.

          No, the other trope is too politically useful. Even though the illogic of this contrivance would put Ms. Heyes as part of Antifa!

          There’s a NYT’s article I read that interviewed some pro-statue folks at the protest who had nothing to do with racist groups, so there were some of those around that day…

      • I have to take back my chiding of Melissa Francis for her tears, because I did the same thing after 15 minutes on Twitter yesterday.

        Until we hear from the DoJ investigation, we won’t know what Charlottesville officialdom could have done to contain the violennce rather decamping the Neo-Nazis and the KKK right through the area filled with Antifa.

        It will be quite awhile before anyone local is held accountable for a situation that escalated into murder by an angry and hateful twenty-year-old.

        None our of elite overlords give a fig about that in the midst of covering Trump as though he ran over this young woman himself.

        The fact that the “sides” Trump spoke of are those composed SOLELY of the Neo-Nazis/KKK side vs the Antifa side and not the regular folks there, is not a distinction our Betters are going to allow.

        No, the other trope is too politically useful. Even though the illogic of this contrivance would put Ms. Heyes as part of Antifa!

        There’s a NYT’s article I read that interviewed some pro-statue folks at the protest who had nothing to do with racist groups, so there were some of those around that day…

        The regular folks, pro or con statue removal is who Trump meant by “nice people”.

        • That last paragraph is likely what Trump meant, but he didn’t say that and that’s why all the outrage. Again tired to having to Trumpsplain what Trump meant by a dumb comment.

          • It’s not Trumpsplain to say that it’s self-evident that the president was not suggesting that there are “nice” Nazis and nice Anti-fascist facists.

            To do that you have to ridiculously exclude the notion that non-fringe group folks were at the protest. That would include Ms Heyes, who doesn’t seem to have been wearing a scarf over her face or carrying a bat.

          • I agree, but if Trump meant that, he should have stated that Saturday or this week in his follow-ups. We had to assume what he meant and we know, thus I call it Trumpsplain that I have to tell my liberal friends what he meant.

          • He did state that by “nice” he did not mean Nazis.

            Look at the difference between the headline in this piece from the actual quoted material:

            “What about the alt-left that came charging at, as you say, at the alt-right?” Trump said. “Do they have any semblance of guilt?”

            “I’ve condemned neo-Nazis. I’ve condemned many different groups. But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me,” he said.

            “You had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists,” Trump said. “The press has treated them absolutely unfairly.”

            “You also had some very fine people on both sides,” he said.”

            https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/trump-defends-white-nationalist-protesters-some-very-fine-people-on-both-sides/537012/

          • Agree on Wednesday he did clarify as you stated, but not initially or earlier this week in his follow-ups. However, it seemed too little too late for some, thus all the outrage.

          • These were the remarks that caused a brouhaha.

            Notice the difference in the quote and the headline?

            Instead of too little, too late, not enough, not clearly enough, just rewards, etc…how going with something really different…

            Like what he freaking said.

        • possibly consider that throwing around terms like nationalism, america first, trade restrictions is poison like what is put in a rat trap. that the left is guilty to any degree better or worse in no way diminishes what this cultural tangent has wrought on us. when bad things happen to people it is almost always most correct to point the finger at themselves

      • CNN sites the SPLC list in a piece reporting hate groups by region.

        Religious groups that oppose gay marriage are on the list.

    • Maybe the MSM can make Eboni Williams the new Megyn Kelly. Keep on viciously criticizing Trump and you will see your career take off.

  2. There should be a link to a story about Murdoch Son James attacking Trump. Scary that he is now running Fox News.

    What are James Murdoch’s qualifications other than being born to the right family? The lower ratings show his influence.

    • Apparently you call this attacking Trump:

      “What we watched this last week in Charlottesville and the reaction to it by the President of the United States concern all of us as Americans and free people,” Mr. Murdoch wrote in a “personal note” sent by email to friends and colleagues that was shared with The Wall Street Journal.

      “I can’t even believe I have to write this: standing up to Nazis is essential; there are no good Nazis. Or Klansmen, or terrorists. Democrats, Republicans, and others must all agree on this, and it compromises nothing for them to do so,” the note continued.

      Most Americans, including GOP agree with James Murdoch. Even Rush said Trumps wording for saying their are good people on both sides is terrible. We all know Trump isn’t a radical or racist, but his comments time and time again come back to hurt him and the GOP party. People, especially conservatives are getting tired of having to Trumpsplain for him.

      • They had a permit to march peacefully and have rights under the First Amendment. They were attacked violently while the police were ordered to do nothing and allow the violence to continue. Even Nazis have the right to march as the city issued them a permit. I certainly don’t support the Nazis but they were given permission to march. You appear to be supporting the violent anarchists and violent Marxists, which is unfortunate.

        • Wrong, as I support neither. Yes they have a right, but they are NOT good people, as Trump said and you defend.

          • Can you please show me the link?? The issue is that Antifa used violence first and cops were told not to interfere by the Dem Mayor.

          • Look what else the WP reports in the above link without batting an eye:

            Charlottesville spokeswoman Miriam I. Dickler told Moyer that only one permit was issued for Emancipation Park — the one received by white nationalists staging the “Unite the Right” rally. However, counterprotesters did not need permits to protest that rally, she said.

            “Please bear in mind that people do not need a permit to enter a public park, even when another event is scheduled to take place there, nor are they required to have one to be on streets or sidewalks adjacent to or outside the park,” Dickler said in an email.

            At one point, the president appeared to refer to a march the night before the death at the main rally. “There were people in that rally, and I looked the night before,” he said. “If you look, they were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee.” (my italics)

          • That spokesman statement is very slippery, and likely untrue. You may not need a permit to be on the sidewalk or in a public park, but you cannot walk on the street (i.e. where the cars run), even if there’s only one of you. It’s against the law. Talk to Chris Christie about it. He’s seen people in his admin who have been indicted for federal civil rights violations. Why? Because they impeded vehicular traffic (ergo abridging the shadowy ‘right to travel’). By the same token, if you are legally on the sidewalk or in the park, you cannot interfere with the speech of the people at the event. Another federal civil rights violation, and a whole lot more significant (it has its own constitutional amendment, after all) than impeding traffic. Funny, how some civil rights violations get throw-the-book-at-’em federal prosecutions, while for others the feds just look the other way.

          • It’s interesting that Matt Drudge didn’t lift a finger to point this out. He seemed to be on the side of the the Antifa activists. And if Drudge doesn’t bring it up, Fox News will not bring it up either. The Drudge Report is basically the assignment editor for Fox News.

      • Minnesota, its like you are Frank Luntz or something like that, or worse yet a jumbled up conglomeration of all the other great prognosticators that were just wrong for so long, not long ago. Yet you pride and prize yourself that we want to hear and should value your opinions on all sorts of matters. Trump did not say there were good Nazis , or any good democratic socialists is we must spit that hair. He did not say a lot of things that people use against him because not only are the word twisters out in force but so are the smooth talking snakes that abound in these times. If you have an opinion, fine, do not put yourself up on that pedestal just to triumphantly shout down at other commenters how right both morally and correct you are, as opposed to your bully target of the day.
        That and this is how you get more Trump.

  3. so who are republicans today. you know it is not a static group, no party is. so who are they today.
    http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/346000-poll-about-half-of-republicans-would-back-postponing-2020-election-if-trump
    postpone an American election? seriously. more evil and crazy. now i grant you i would call this a push poll made for idiots, but the forget the %s and you can still say there is a large group of absolute morons that have no clue as to their history. worse we see they are stuck on issues that are simply negative. they don’t make, add, enable anything good for the future. stop government growth? lower taxes? poof gone.

  4. Anyone making travel plans to see total eclipse? I’m taking my parents to south of Lincoln Nebraska. They are so excited, Dad whose 87, said this may be my last one. Bless his heart.

    • My travel plans are to step out on my porch……….well really I will be in class at the very time it goes over……..don’t think they will let us go out.

  5. Tweet from The Cable Gamer @TheCableGame

    Bad omen for @SpecialistsFNC ? Today Specialists will be pre-empted for an expanded @SpecialReport with @BretBaier – 2 hours starting 5p ET.

  6. In the alternate world of the haters………..Fox News talking about the terrorist attack that happened YESTERDAY that killed 13 is bad….the haters think they should be talking about the terrorist attack that happened SIX days ago and killed one. that’s the Top story at CNN and MSNBC and it should be at Fox. What nuts.

    #notthehistorynewschannel
    #laughingstocks

  7. I know we have discussed this to death, but with Fox News preempting The Specialists again today and on a relatively non-breaking newsday and also the fact that Fox News is talking to Laura Ingraham, I think the writing is on the wall. If I were a betting man, I would think that Fox would like to move The Five back to 5 pm and add Laura to their primetime line-up, mostly likely at 10 pm and Hannity up to 9 pm. This would allow Fox to continue the Bolling investigation and if he comes back, he will return to where his contract indicates. His contract states that he will be on a program at 5 pm weekdays. However, it likely means that Eboni, Kat and also Jesse (if Bolling returns) would no longer be a regular on a weekday program.

    • Maybe Kat can take her Kat on the Street gig back to Greg Gutfeld, where it began. Both can be added to the Out# rotation, and either could also be a back-up fill-in on The Five. Hannity at 9 makes sense – he’s the evening’s strongest show right now, though I prefer the 10pm slot (that gives me two hours until midnight to watch something other than news).

      • Great ideas. I bet Hannity would love earlier time and I know Dana Perino would love to be back at 5 pm as she says she goes to bed early (well used to anyway).

        • Well you also said Hannity at 9 so yeah, we both agree it’s a great idea. 😉 Kat & Eboni have gotten pummeled (unfairly IMHO) on twitter for the last 48 hours and I think that even though it’s overheated and generally undeserved, it makes the case to continue Specialists weaker than it was at the start of the week.

          • Well, The Specialists was a flop from week 1. Surprised it lasted this long except someone can’t admit he goofed to put it on the air at all.

          • The Specialists was doomed to fail. They already had a show that was a perfect fit for the time slot and nothing was going to be able to replace it. The Five was both doing really well in the ratings and the hosts were getting along maybe as well as ever.

            The Specialists format was a bad idea and they had a bad combination of hosts. The biggest mistake was probably not trying multiple hosts until they found the right combination. Timpf, Bolling and Williams had little real chemistry as a trio or as pairs. It was sort of like local morning news where they are forced together and just faked liking each other.
            The format of having random guests for the whole hour also often hurt. Instead of making sure they had 10 quality guests a week, which should be easy considering all the talent in the building, they had a lot of mediocre ones.

            Not sure that the show would be (likely) canceled if not for the Bolling situation, but I think it still might have stuck around if not for what has happened with The Five getting dominated by Maddow.
            The show wasn’t very good, but the ratings, prior to this week, were what Fox should have expected from the kind of show they created with the hosts they had. Not great, but not awful. They were down quite a bit from The Five, but they were usually winning their time slot
            If The Five was doing well in primetime,
            Fox would likely put in some more effort to make The Specialists work. More than just replacing Bolling.

      • Both Eboni and Kat would have benefited from having someone mentor them when it came to hosting, but I don’t know if that is happening much since Ailes was ousted. It also looked like The Specialists wasn’t very well produced. So, they probably didn’t get good advice from those they worked with.

        Like many at Fox they have been put in the wrong roles and Fox needs to correct that.

        I think Eboni should be moved more into the Abby Huntsman lane. News host who dabbles in opinion. I think she would be good at that. She has a great TV news presence, but not really as an opinion commentator.

        She has a better personality than how it usually came across on this show. She often seems like she is trying too hard to be taken seriously on The Specialists.

        She should be Harris’ primary back-up on Outnumbered and should become an official co-host if Harris leaves Fox or takes over Shep’s role (if he leaves).
        Eboni should also do some anchoring on weekends and do legal analysis. Then they should have her do a little bit of political commentary. Frequently find prime time segments to put her in.
        Also, if a female hosting spot opens up on The Five, she should be in the running. Not sure she would be the right choice, but deserves a shot.

        She clearly has what it takes to be a star, but she still needs some time and needs to be put in the right role. Next time they make her a host, don’t make it a show that is just thrown together.

        Timpf is fortunate to be young, because it might be a really long time before she gets another TV show. Every time I would watch, I would once again be surprised at how bad she was at talking into the camera/reading prompter. I would have assumed that someone would have taken the time by now to help her out or that she would have taken the extra time to practice.

        She rarely seemed to be enjoying herself. Came across like she was trying to fake it a lot.
        Maybe she was just with two people she didn’t click with.

        I would like to see more libertarian voices on cable news and there are a lot of really smart ones out there, but Timpf is not one of them right now. It was usually the most simplistic libertarian commentary coming from her. You almost always knew what she was going to say. It felt like her solution to every other problem was “end the drug war.”

        I just don’t think she is someone who makes for a good host. She works much better in small doses. I think they need to stick to her being a commentator for quite a while. Occasionally do some panel hosting on holidays. See how she develops.

        [I also think that the spotlight has become a bit too hot for her at this point. Needs to reach a place where she doesn’t bother concerning herself with the crueler comments. Responding just makes them realize that they are being heard. It also makes you look weak when you are playing victim over mean tweets.]

        I think she still has enough potential for Fox to want to keep her around for a while, but she needs to get back on track. She was someone unique when she started appearing on Fox, but just acting the same way and saying the same things over and over becomes tiresome.

        There is also a chance that she is only going to stay at Fox as long as Greg wants her on his show.

  8. Today’s most popular links:
    5 Pre-empted today
    4 but also instructive
    3 the softer side
    2 who screwed up
    And the most popular link in today’s links…
    1 Manriquez: Fox News millennial covering the White House a ‘rising star’.

  9. I keep watching The Five (love when Kennedy is on) but Jesse is just awful. Just my opinion. How in the world does he have two shows on FOX? In fact, how does Kat Timpf have two shows?

    • Even though I don’t think it is very good (although I haven’t watched in a while) Jesse’s weekend show makes sense. He had a popular segment on the network’s most popular show and they didn’t really have anything in that time slot. They gave him a once a month shot and he did well enough in the ratings to make it weekly. He has since continued to do pretty well in the ratings. So, he is doing enough to deserve to keep doing that show.

      The Five seems to clearly be a case of Fox News being too hasty when it came to deciding what to do post-O’Reilly. Just like with The Specialists needing to have on-air tryouts to see who fit best, The Five should have rotated guest hosts to find the right person to replace Bolling. Ratings likely would not have been hurt by doing so and in the long-term, it would have been much better for the show and probably would have made more people watch.
      Also, Jesse getting the job immediately had to be partly because of Fox’s negligence when it came to developing male opinion talent. They have no depth right now. All their guys who can do opinion hosting already have shows.

      They need to start bringing in some new people. I think guys like Lawrence Jones and Buck Sexton would be great hires and would be improvements over Jesse.

      They also need to hire a lot of new male contributors and try to develop them into hosts over time.

      Kat is likely going to have only one show soon and will have none if Greg grows tired of her.

      • I like your idea about Lawrence Jones and Buck Sexton. I remember Buck from the early Red Eye days and I’ve seen Lawrence several times this week on FOX and he’s very impressive. I know I sound like a broken record, but I really don’t understand why they didn’t keep Andy Levy.

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