Monday Links and Open Thread

  • The Five video: over ISIS attacks and US response.
  • Friday’s numbers: Shepard Smith-Megyn Kelly-Cooper 1-2-3.
  • Video: on tolerance and extreme voices.
  • Outnumbered video: on ISIS attacks and US response.
  • Fox News tops ratings for Paris attacks, averages 4.4 million.  More.
  • Video: react to President’s press conference.
  • Wemple: CNN anchor blames French Muslims for not stopping attack.
  • Wemple: NY Times report revives contentious subject of ‘no-go zones’.
  • Kilmeade book tops Trump, Carson debuts. Poling: An intriguing tale.
  • F&F video: Meet  Anna, Clayton dissed again.
  • Controversy swirls around CNN real-time narration of police movements.

58 thoughts on “Monday Links and Open Thread”

  1. Did any one else see this morning on Morning Joe that Joe said pretty much all their guest this morning were going to be Republicans because, even though they had asked Dems they all said, no thanks. Guess those proud, strong Dems don’t want to take on President Obama or HRC with any stand on ISIS.

    • It’s called laying low until there’s some bone-headed controversy over some verbal faux pas or misguided attitude then turn the issue of “containing” ISIS into that bullshite.

      It’ll happen any minute now.

  2. I also saw live that producer with Wolf and thought “what the hell are they doing?” This was do awful and there should be strong backlash against CNN for this boneheaded move.

  3. One the worst things that ISIS has accomplished with these hideous mass murders is to make it harder for refugees to get help.

    I saw a picture of a toddler who had died during his family’s exodus from Syria and thought that this is the true face of this crisis, but ISIS has succeeded in giving it the face of the merciless terrorist. They have succeeded in filling us with the demoralizing angst that comes from having to weigh your own interests with those of people desperate for your help.

    I wish we had leadership. I wish we had a president who was more than a big city political operative. I wish we had Republican politicians who cared about something other than power, tenure, and control. I wish we had presidential candidates who could transcend politics and their media crafted images.

      • It’s the phenomenon where after a crisis common sense has an appreciation factor equivalent to the shelf life of meringue.

        Read it while you can.

        • We can only hope that those involved in ISIS decide to go the Jim Jones route and drink the Kool-Aid.

          • The James Jones followers drank the koolaid in order to remove themselves from you.

            Islamic terrorists obliterate themselves and others in order to remove you from them.

          • We can always hope. Or, mabye they will cut off their gonads, eat poison laced applesauce, and go to “the level above human.”

          • It is a suicide pact for sure. That and the control of adherents makes Jones and Koresh a good analogy.

            The balancing act comes with clearly recognizing that the fanatics are informed by Islam while we strive to not set off a religious war response in our side.

            You can’t keep religion/spirituality out of the life and death scenario of war, of course…”Glory…glory…hallelujah…”, etc, but we must be mindful that the absolutes that (to my thinking) are naturally and logically a part of religion can lead to a horrifying intransigence when we believe we are fighting on behalf of God.

          • if you re-read the senate speeches pre civil war, Clay, webster, et el, you will see a lot of similar dancing around and deflecting from the base issues. the north south were on opposite poles in culture, economics and slavery and both sides looked for patch work non-serious delaying actions, both sides danced around the reality of the irresolvable differences, both sides invoked morality and religion. the truth is the two sides could not co-exist and that is difficult for intellectuals to accept. everyone loves a fairy tale ending but relying on the hope for one is deadly.

    • Very interesting. I got about half way through but will read it all later today.
      Looking forward to it. Thanks.

      • Read quickly. It’ll be gone into a flurry of strategic superfluousness as soon as can be.

        Gone with the awareness that global considerations and historic lessons are lost to such morasses as surely as they are lost to time.

        • I finished reading it (finally). Complex. I also saved it to re-read later after I think on it for a while. One thought kept coming to mind. “Obama has read this.”

          • I wish Pres. Obama would read it if only for information that militant Islamists argue that they are being short-changed because a system of beheading, stoning, amputation, and enslavement is not presented by journalists in the full context of a culture of free housing, education, and health care.

            You think Pres. Obama is defensive now that folks are bigoted toward Islam and don’t understand that the political conservative next door is the more evil enemy, wait till he finds out Sharia law tempers crucifixion with entitlements…

  4. If I may, I’d like to toot my own horn about Killing Reagan. I wrote a blurb in a web post on audiobooks I’ve listened to in the past year. Here’s what I wrote:

    Killing Reagan: The Violent Assault That Changed a Presidency by Bill O’Reilly and Martin Dugard–It was late September, which meant it was time for the latest “Killing” book from O’Reilly and Dugard. While John Hinckley did not kill President Ronald Reagan, the
    assassination attempt did accelerate his Alzheimer’s disease. The book isn’t a deification, which has irked people like George Will, but I loved it. I also liked actor Robert Petkoff’s narration. This was the first audiobook I listened to that wasn’t read by the author. Bill O’Reilly did, however, read the introduction and epilogue.

    I also mention in the post that I’m currently listening to a biography of Jack Kemp–Jack Kemp: The Bleeding-Heart Conservative Who Changed America–by the Beltway Boys themselves, Mort Kondracke and Fred Barnes.

    • Good post. Personally, I think what really started his decline was the cancer surgery. It was the second major surgery in four years. That would take a major toll, both physically and mentally, on even a much younger man.

  5. i got 30 secs into the shep screed and clicked off. we are here because we have used cease fires, diplomacy and accords for too long to resolve differences that are not resolvable. this is not to say errors were not made on every side, or that shep does not have points about preserving our own way of life. it is to say when faced with differences that cannot be resolved through diplomacy, our civil war, Hitler and others, capitulation is required and putting it off makes it more brutal not less. Vietnam and Nixon’s Cambodia, and Cater’s abandoning the Shah’s son come to mind. USA civilian rights were curtailed in wars, and that is sad….. yet what if the civil war had not ended in capitulation but negotiated settlements, cease fires, peace accords, shuttle diplomacy etc. we are here today because we have put off for 50 years what is ugly but necessary. so Shep, when the Islamists use WMD against civilians how much more brutal will civilized society have to become to defend itself? peace is for chumps. deal with it.

    • If Shep ever condemned the perpetrators of atrocities with the same disdain and dislike he regularly heaps upon middle America, a colective case of whiplash would spread across FNC viewerland.

      • I know that this will upset some here, but there comes a times that you have to face facts. Shepard Smith is simply a smug elitist with contempt for his viewers. Today was Exhibit A.

        • Don’t need lectures about who we are and what we’re supposed to think and feel. It felt and sounded like he was talking down to the viewers.

          • well you know i wrote for bucks all my life…. if you only have 29.5 secs to move a family off a couch and out the door, electio verborum is the name of the game.

          • I didn’t hear Shep, but evidently he’s taking the same cavalier approach as the president.

            Chastise citizens over concern that ISIS may be telling the truth about infiltratrating via a refugee population, after they’re having pulled off multi-site attacks in two countries.

            The president went as far as to ask reporters if THEY or Republicians had a alternate plan for fighting ISIS when asked to account for his remark about having them contained.

            You can’t get more contemptuous of others and clueless than that.

          • I just don’t get the contempt towards those who think that national security is of the utmost importance . It does not make one a bigot or Islamophobe. This country has been on the forefront of taking in the world’s huddled masses since it’s inception. And it will continue to do so. I want the leaders in this country to be concerned for the safety and security of those already here. That doesn’t mean there isn’t any room for the refugees from Syria or anywhere else. I don’t need a lecture from a tv guy or a petulant president.

          • Wasn’t nearly as bad as I thought. Just ye old false dilemma stuff.

            I said that it sounded as though Shep was as arrogant and dismissive as Pres. Obama. He wasn’t. If only because Shep was more couched, he wasn’t even close.

          • as i say below. he was speaking down to people in a condescending manner. he has no authority of expertise on the topic so his opinion should be qualified. however i don’t like him, never have. he is not clever, incisive or even pleasant to my ears.

          • GC is your perfunctory troll: Throws insult after insult one’s way and if/when he gets a response, couldn’t be any happier with himself for inducing it…regardless if he’s shown to be the sophomore year clown he is. A lofty goal to have in life, no doubt.

          • That’s as apt a characterization of Shep as the one from Ramjet, N-N.

            Frankly, if he has to opine as an anchor replete with appeals to huddled masses and allusions of bad faith from dissenters, couldn’t he at least have had a guest on to tell him that his obstinate either/or set-up in the face of substantial threat and intelligence failures is the argument of a 3rd grader?

      • i thought i was alone in my view here. i just find him shallow and a person wrapped in cliche. like another popular writer here. maybe i am not all alone after all. that would be new.

  6. Today’s most popular links:
    5 intriguing
    4 Bill Hemmer, Bret Baier
    3 Fox News tops ratings
    2 real-time narration
    And the most popular link in today’s links…
    1 Anna, Clayton dissed again.

  7. No-go zones are like death panels that ration health care based upon quality and quantity of life considerations.

    Everyone understands they are entirely plausible and likely. Even the liberals rending their garments at the suggestion.

    • Actually the whole argument was a facade of vocabulary. There could very well be what we call no-go zones but deniers can insist there’s no such thing because they won’t call it that. That NY Times report sort of confirms that.

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