Thursday Links and Open Thread

136 thoughts on “Thursday Links and Open Thread”

  1. I liked Zurawik’s “Zelig” reference. It was a good description of Williams, plus it’s one of my favorite movies.

    • I guess I’m confused. If Brian Williams goes to MSNBC, cable news, I thought honesty didn’t matter. Just call it commentary, and he can go all O’Reilly.

  2. Interesting line-up today …. A complete anthology of Brian Williams stories and another Kirsten Powers story.

    • Personally, I’m attempting to avoid cable and broadcast news until Sunday at 10PM, unless The Greg Gutfeld Show is going to be pre-empted. This means I’ll be skipping MediaBuzz for the third week in a row. The first week, it was because of Duggars/hypocrisy/guilt by association; the second week, it was Hillary’s announcement; and now, it’s the tragic, narrative-affirming church shooting.

      • I’m much more of a “Reliable Sources” guy, but I understand what you’re saying. The navel-gazing inherent in both shows can be pure tedium.

      • Just as annoying are the endless hours of speculation and repetition as nobody wants to be accused of short-changing a big story that unfortunately at this stage offers a paucity of facts and a surfeit of guesswork.

        • I’ve read a good deal of criticism of the paucity of cable news coverage of the event and of the late arrival of FOX. One viewer critic in the LA area even noted as she was trying to get information she finally resorted to BBC World. I haven’t really had an opportunity to view much today, however. The cable at the office went out during a storm last evening. Is there, in fact, over-coverage at this time?

          • I’m not sure why anyone would watch HLN. And, I’m not surprised you don’t watch CNN or MSNBC. I might watch MSNBC for less than an hour during a month, but I have been watching a bit more of CNN of late. It seems to be getting its act together. I think as long as someone has a reliable news source, then it can be supplemented by FOX or MSNBC without any problem.

            And I think multiple sources for business news is a very good idea. There is so much diversity in business news. My preference is Bloomberg, but its international broadcasting is a bit limited. FBN has quite limited, if any, international coverage and I find it more targeted for non-business professionals. So, that usually means CNBC, with its vast international coverage, is top dog for me.

      • My Facebook news feed piqued my curiosity and I saw two O’Reilly Factor segments: the Fox-bashing state rep and Bernie Goldberg. I sought out Bernie’s segment on foxnews.com.

    • Well, no… no he didn’t “proclaim the incident to have been operation” of anything. From the linked story:

      “There does seem to be a rising hostility against Christians in this country because of our biblical views,” Jackson, a pastor himself, said after urging that everyone wait for the facts. “It is something we have to be aware of.”

      Later, Doocy added, “Extraordinarily, they called it a ‘hate crime,’ and some look at it as, ‘Well, because it was a white guy and a black church,’ but you made a great point earlier about the hostility towards Christians. And it was a church. So maybe that’s what they were talking about. They haven’t explained it to us.

      Jackson agreed: “Most people jump to conclusions about race. I long for the day when we stop doing that in our country. But we don’t know why he went into a church, but he didn’t choose a bar, he didn’t choose a basketball court, he chose a church.”

      Please don’t lie, Royal.

        • Since she departed F&F, I scarcely notice her anymore. Perhaps the time of day, but perhaps also because the absence of the rollicking senselessness on F&F has made her a bit mundane. I did, however, notice that she gave her witness on the 700 Club the other day. I won’t comment on what she said, however, since I was interested in hearing it or reading about it.

          • That’s interesting because just the other day you said Carlson shows more gravitas (to paraphrase) since leaving F&F.

            I had chalked that up to your tactic of always saying something marginally decent about one Fox entity (or Republican, etc) when in the process of denigrating another, in an attempt to seem more even-handed.

            You were going after O’Reilly, I think, in that discussion, so today Carlson goes back to being old socks.

          • Not so interesting. I watched a clip of her on some show. She seemed different. Better. Not much interested in her, however.

      • I’m pretty sure we’re not supposed to call other posters liars, and it is particularly the case when no lie was told. We have a grammatical convention in English of putting direct quotes between quotation marks. My post has none. However, I accurately captured the essence of Doocy’s remarks as I am sure any skilled grammarian would agree. It’s equivalent to a headline that says some politician was “grilled” or “skewered” when, in fact, there is no charcoal fire laid and no grilling implements about. And with that, I shall shun you for the next 24 hours.

        • Well, I think calling out lies by liars is appropriate.

          But again, you lie about the “essence” of Doocy’s remarks. Also you said he “proclaims the incident to have been an operation in the War on Christianity in America,” which does not suggest you were talking about “the essence” of anything, rather ascribing a definitive statement to Mr. Doocy. He made no such definitive remarks.

          “Grilled” and “skewered” are not on par with “proclaimed,” when no proclamation was given.

          Shun as long as you need. Just stop lying.

          • But not at all unnerving that these horrible murders were so quickly and callously exploited by Steve Doocy at FOX News and his guest on FOX News to advance multiple agendas, including packing heat in church? And, that this quick and callous exploitation occurred to any exploitation here, because it is those quick and callous exploitative remarks to which we are now responding? Tell you what, I’ll give you a pass on Megyn Kelly dreaming about a White Santa Claus and Bill O’Reilly channeling William Randolph Hearst to start a war, but Doocy remains your albatross.

          • Don’t know what he said, but didn’t you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this blog?… There ain’t nothin’ more powerful than the odor of mendacity… You can smell it.

          • somebodies has the blog post aroma of a damaged septic tank and we all but 1 agree on it’s source.

          • I appreciate your comment, Larry, or should I say Big Daddy but, no, no odor of mendacity. Prickliness and rudeness, but no mendacity. So, on the whole, an enjoyable place.

          • He’s the type who would get in an elevator with one other person, fart, then deny that it was him.

          • my point. you know my grand pa pa, on my fathers side, was the pilot of the Hindenburg don’t you know. rather! i need boots.

          • Me father was the keeper of the Eddystone light
            And he slept with a mermaid one fine night
            From this union there came three
            A porpoise and a porgy and the other was me

          • oh yeah, well my sister Demetra was born out of the cracked skull of a demon. gotta drive to the campo to snag mIlena, cha cha cha.

          • That just shows us all what a land of opportunity America once was. The grandson of a baker surpasses the grandson of the pilot of a venerable airship and the son of a fairy tale character.

          • Never let an opportunity go to waste said the skunk as the mourners were leaving the gravesite.

          • The irony is really sweet. The people you and Johnny are accusing of exploiting the murders are, in this incident, merely reacting to a FOX News host and guest who were in fact exploiting the murders. I probably should say trying to exploit. The effort was so clumsy and effectively attacked that it failed miserably.

      • Lies about his military service without shame? Don’t credit such a person with any connection with truth other that a troll satisfaction of attempts at showing others to be false.

          • No, but my grandfather (father’s side) was a baker in the Kaiserliche Marine in the Great War. He was a Berliner (Wedding) and immigrated first to Mexico in the early 20’s then to Texas in 1928 in response to the rightist assassinations of Karl Liebknecht and Rosa Luxembourg and the om-going instability and violence in the early Weimar days.

        • After reading his bizarre rants for years now, I don’t think my expectations could be any lower.

          • How due you define “rant”? I ask only because it seems to me I am the calmest of posters here, far, far calmer than any of the members of the Angry Old Man Caucus. By “rant” I assume you mean anyone who has the temerity to have a different perspective, a world view which differs from yours. And, I do. I don’t rant, however.

          • Being calm, and ranting are not mutually exclusive.

            You rant. You ramble. You lie.

            It’s kinda “your thing.”

          • No, that’s not the definition. Ranting is speaking in a wild or violent way. I haven’t done that. I write far more calmly then the individual members of the Angry Old Man Caucus.

          • rant (rănt)
            v. rant·ed, rant·ing, rants
            v.intr.
            1. To speak or write in an angry or emotionally charged manner; rave.
            2. To express at length a complaint or negative opinion: “He could rant on the subject of physician-assisted illness” (Paul Theroux).
            v.tr.
            To utter or express by ranting: “Adams’s fellow Federalists ranted that he was mentally unfit to be president” (Susan Dunn).
            n.
            1. Angry, emotionally charged, or tediously negative speech or writing: a speech that was more rant than reason.
            2. An example of such speech or writing: a rant against the university’s policies.
            3. Chiefly British Wild or uproarious merriment.

            And here, I thought you were going to shun me today.

            Also, telling another poster you’re going to “shun” them, not often a sign of one’s “calm.”

          • It does. It has a deliberateness that “rant” lacks. You can’t leave out that sense of intention with posts infused with the desire to pique or dismay.

          • pleasure from the pain of others is a mortal sin, un prohibido mas grande. that, having pride in one’s self and wasting food are long philosophical discussions in my house.

          • i don’t believe in god. so i do it for entirely selfish reasons. everyone is better feeling better about one’s self. so don’t number two on yourself with things that should shame you. having to live with the fact that he enjoys hurting others and seeks to one up, put down, dismiss at every opportunity is his burden to live with. i am just tired of his messing up our playroom simply because he is sick in the head. .

          • i like learning about religions of the world. i love the ceremony here. i do not dis religion or the religious when they are reasonable which is in most cases.

          • I kind of misread your post. Using the closet floor as a clothes hamper and intentionally splashing bugs towards me while swimming set off huge philosophical discussions in my house.

          • I love the mountains, NN. We go to the Smokies at least 2x a month.

            We aren’t living there yet. Still about a year away.

          • It is only his burden to live with if he has a concience, which he obviously doesn’t.

          • I don’t think you mind being subjected to negativity. You seek the company of some influential members of the Angry Old Men’s Caucus. You’re real objection is to anyone who holds a view different than your own.

          • I just see it as part of my passionate nature made manifest in the written word, but it’s not an altogether inaccurate word choice.

    • Well, it appears that Doocy was wrong once again. The shootist is apparently a 21 year old White male, Dylann Roof, who reportedly said in the spree: “I have to do it. You’re raping our women and taking over the country. You have to go.”

      There are also pictures of him wearing a jacket with Apartheid-era South African and Rhodesian patches affixed.

      Not a battlefield in the War on Christianity.

      • How can you be wrong, when you ask about motivation, and not “proclaim” anything?

        Why does your dishonesty continue?

      • I just set my DVR for The Five.

        I was surprised that Steve Doocy made the comments he did.

        But I want to hear more. I’m willing to change my mind.

        • he was also a drug user with an arrest record. another obama voter killer. appears docey is right again. secular left puke christian hater. fry him.

        • I didn’t see it. I understand your point, Mike, and think you’re right if how you describe the vid is correct. I do want to mitigate your point in one way. Being anti-religion is not a Democratic position.

          I can make the point that Christianity is held as being suspect and corrosive in society and consider that as being by people who no particular political ideology. From money grubbing CEOs to a motorcycle gang member.

          Please don’t think I’m being disingenuous here. I know that that an anti-religion estimation is also made of liberals.

          I still don’t think the anti-religion motivation is as politically targeted as ones linking everything from gun rights advocacy to opposing Obama as being the inspiration behind this act.

          I admit it may well feel differently from the other side of the aisle.

  3. Kurtz made a point, then exhausted his theme. The media loves any candidate who creates media attention because of a block of fans who adore, indeed worship the candidate, and a block of critics who are revolted by the candidate. Palin was a classic example, but in 2011/12, we had Bachmann, Gingrich and Santorum drawing far more attention by the media than the seem to have warranted because of their “clickability:.

  4. Kurtz is right, but he is a guilty as everyone. Back when he hosted RELIABLE SOURCES, how many times did he bemoan the coverage Donald Trump was getting on cable news only to bring him up week after week of n his own show?

      • Seems to me he is far more interesting in destroying Jeb than helping Hillary!. Of course, any Republican infighting helps Hillary!.

  5. Wow… Folks chide me for talking to and not ignoring TRRE and we’re talking politics and cable news, and here everyone is talking to and about TRRE in an insult fest.

    Thanks, people.

    • So talk.
      Others’ annoyances don’t seem to stop the endless replies even when it has been DECLARED that there will be shunning or there are no directed comments.

      • I’m out of a talking mood and want to dance. To “Perfidia” I think. And I know a good jazz band playing at a nice little bar tonight. Fish tacos and:

        Si puedes tu con Dios hablar
        Mujer,
        Si puedes tu con Dios hablar,
        Pregúntale si yo alguna vez
        Te he dejado de adorar.

        • I got an unsolicited reply in Spanish, no less. And I was SHUNNED weeks ago. Amusing in a sad sort of way. What’s with the need to one up everyone. I need to be done with this horsebleep.

          • And, I didn’t call it that either. That’s from the fertile and fetid mind of your fellow club member.

            I said I was going dancing.

            I said I knew a place with a good jazz band.

            The band did play Perfidia at my request. It was duly tipped.

            It was a wonderful evening. Having a woman you’ve loved for 40 years in your arm, listening to good music, drinking some good Irish whiskey …. That’s good. You should try it some time.

  6. all baloney aside i see reports that this is another mass shooter on meds. psycho-active prescription medication seems a lot more consistantly culpable than the racism, gun control, attacking christian stuff. it seems to be in almost every mass killing not involved with a for profit criminal enterprise. not so sure that further help from the shrink community is helpful.

  7. sadly, you are not in rivas for a choice of 3 cheese teriyaki rib pizza, or triple chile mussel pizza with avocado chunks from the yard. auntie says ta ta, cheerio and meds. alas, no photos allowed here. i will post them later on Vice where chaos was invented.

    • Sharpton, O’D, Chris, Madcow and Williams sitting in a tree, d-i-s-s-i-n-g. ________________________________________________________

  8. Today’s most popular links:
    5 Kirsten Powers
    4 Contessa resurfaces
    3 MSNBC’s Shep Smith
    2 don’t foist Williams
    And the most popular link in today’s links…
    1 You don’t fix a news channel by showcasing a serial liar on it.

  9. All I can tell you about that is that the Secretary of State’s office now issues my passport with the extended portfolio in it without my request to do so. You can believe it or not believe it as you choose, and you often chose often not to believe reality.

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